German V6 project 95% finished

[hot-chili]

Hello,
some of you know me from Duderstadt meeting or from german MR2 Forum.
Last 3 years I work on my V6 engine project in germany and changed my 3S-GE against a 3VZ-FE from the Toyota Camry.
This was much work but it was the best I make ever at MR2 tuning.

Facts:
- 3L V6 engine with 6750rpm
- only 30kg more wheigt.
- 208hp at 5850rpm and 287Nm at 4500upm (made a litle selfmade headwork)
- only 0,5L more fuel need then my old 3S-GE (I need last 8000km 10,1L at 100km
- Top speed 231km/h with 3S-GE tranny, more is possible with longer 5 gear
- Elasticity between 45-102% better then my old 3S-GE.
- fit 100% into the MR2 W2 engine bay and is full compatible to the S54 tranny.

With this engine the MR2 is a total different car. Now cruising and race with the same engine is possible and the sound is great.

My MR2:


V6 vs. 3S-GE


The V6 inside my car:


Here is a short video of my first engine start:
http://www.mein-mr2.de/Bilder/V6-Motor/ ... 20Lauf.WMV
and the dyno run of the V6:
http://www.mein-mr2.de/Filme/3VZ-FE%20L ... essung.wmv

Here is now the first picture of my V6 install set.
There are 5 parts which are not on the picture because they are not finished until now. One of this is the big new exhaust pipe system.


Now I can produce any V6 compatible wire harness:







Now I work at least on a new exhaust system, I can make it compatible to the 3S-GE system or I use a original Audi TT exhaust, that fitt perfect under the MR2:





Here you see the dynorun results from 5 differten engines, 3S-GE with 156 and 170hp, my V6, 3S-GTE at 1bar and 1,4 bar pressure, the results are in km/h at 4 gear, not at rpm, so it is more exact.

Good too see how much torque the V6 produce at low rotation and it is better up to 3200rpm or 90km/h then the 3S-GTE.

Next 2 month I will try to make an emission test on a emission dyno. I will reach the Euro 2 to get an 100% european law resistant emission paper.

Now there are 5 german V6 swaps at this time who use my install set.

Here you can find many pictures, videos and test results:
http://www.mein-mr2.de/V6/
http://www.mein-mr2.de/Bilder/V6-Motor/

Hope you like it?!

If you want more informations please contact me.

[Dokter Rob]

Looks good to me!

Why did you choose a V6 from the Camry?

What did you pay for the parts, and how many hours did you put in it from the start till driving?


Keep up the good work!

[hot-chili]

I think all togehter will be 1000h of work or some more... But this are not only work on the engine. I make cable plans, prototype parts, the wire harness and many parts more.

The V6 3VZ-FE from the camry is a very good engine, its simple, cheap, no electric problems and its very powerfull.
The best engine I ever drive. You can drive it on snow, on race tracks and have never problems; it is so much fun.
The only problem is, that you can not drive faster then 231km/h or you must change the tranny.

I pay 2500€ for the Camry, 2000€ for replace parts like clutch, 3000€ for the prototype parts to fit the V6, 400€ TÜV paper, 500€ painting/oil and so on.

All together it must be around 8500€ and now the exhaust system include new catalytic converter and 100% stainless steal will be around 1500€ more.

But with my V6 install set it is much cheaper, if you can change the engine yourself it is possible around 5000€.

[Xhermes]

Very very nice! I take it you also needed to change the engine mounts? Did you make an adapter plate ( if thats even possible ) or did you cut them out/reweld?

[hot-chili]

You need only 1 new engine mount, I make a complete new one.
Take a look on the install set picture, there you can see the new engine mount.

The front engine mount I replace against the stronger from the 3S-GTE, but this is not necessary .

You can use the 3S-GE tranny or the 3S-GTE tranny (inside same as from the Camry), both fit up to 80%, rest finished my parts.

But there are so many specials, it is to difficult to explain. Most work is the wire harness, I need 40-50h to make it complete new.

One of my buyers use a supercharger on the V6, but he is still at work on it.
He makes lot of tuning on the 3VZ-FE, his targed his 300+PS.

I new engine control unit like e-manage ultimate would bring much on the 3VZ-FE because Toyota reduce the power of the engine or it would kill the upper V8 engines...

To install the V6 it is easier then the 3S-GE, because there is more space in length.
The only damage to install the V6 are 2x 6mm holes in the engine bay wall, thats all. Later it looks like a 100% original Toyota engine inside the MR2.

[Huub]

Nice! I had my car converted last year in England bij Woodsport. My car and some information;

showthread.php?t=4089

It also has some headwork done. And it has a lighter flywheel.

My next step wil be some electronic tuning. But i still have to figure out what the best options are.

Welcome here!

[Xhermes]

I've seen quite a few installs by Paul Woods in the UK. There are 2 members here that converted there SW20 by him. I do believe its an awesome engine in the SW chassis. However, there seems to be a lot of skeptism about the performance vs a turbo engine.

[hot-chili]

Yes, I know woodsport, but this is not the "standard" I like, he makes many parts only compatible. I deliver complete new parts, so it is a higher price.
The big different is, I deliver all parts to your home or any place you like and you get a big german install instruction. And I make a complete new and 100% fitted V6 wire harness.
Anybody who can replace a engine will be able to install the V6 engine with my install instruction inside his own garage. He must only be able to understand german language.

Yes, I know the discussion about V6 and Turbo, it is very slow explained in my eyes:

1. I don´t like the turbo, it is so uncomfortable to drive, needs many fuel if you drive fast and I know so many people, who invest 10.000€ into it and drive not only 1m until years because it isn´t runing.
The V6 can be repaird from every Toyota station and its running and running all the year under all conditions, if you have trouble with the turbo here, you have a big problem.

2. The V6 is at slow rotation better then the turbo, at more then 3000upm the V6 has no chance against a turbo,
but I think small 225hp turbo and V6 had same speed on the street, there is no realy big difference.
On my dyno diagram (yellow), you see a tuned 265hp GEN 3 Turbo and the difference is not so big to my 208hp V6.

But speed is not realy important for me, it is the smooth V6 feeling.
You can drive at 1000rpm or 5000rpm and you have always enough power, the torqe is realy fantastic, its like a diesel.
I like the V6 so much, this engine is perfect to enjoy the MR2 realy.

In germany it isn´t longer allowed to install the turbo into Euro 2 cars, you need here for any car a exhaust test, this cost around 3000€.
This test I make now on the V6 and then it is 100% legal and we save 225€ tax here in germany any year.

Same with open airfilter, this is no longer allowed in germany, I use the original Camry airfilter box.

[franksmits]

Good to see that you put some life in the Mr2-v6 thing. It will be a lot easyer for people who wanna swap! Nice job!

[Gidon-V6]

Nice engine
Another one from Woodsport here.

[hot-chili]

Yes, I invest until now over 20.000€ into the V6 parts.

I need very important the Euro 2 emission paper, without this I have many trouble here in germany.
Perhaps I make this test at march or april.
This cost me 2500€ up to 4500€, because I musst make a emission paper for all MR2 MKII types from 1989-1999. And I musst stay 30% under the emission permition. The Euro 2 allows 2,2g CO at 1km, I musst get under 1,54g at 1km same with HX and NOx.

I think I will be at 05.04.2009 at "Haltern am See" near Dortmund/Oberhausen at our big spring MR2 meeting.
If somebody is interested in my engine/parts he can meet me there.

[erikmr]

http://www.mr2forum.de/index.php?page=T ... adID=44605

[Xhermes]

Might be a nice meeting for our MR2's aswell. You can put it up at " Animocheck " here

[erikmr]

bitte nicht markus
ich wolte der einzige niederlander dort sein

[MarcoTwo]

I've seen quite a few installs by Paul Woods in the UK. There are 2 members here that converted there SW20 by him. I do believe its an awesome engine in the SW chassis. However, there seems to be a lot of skeptism about the performance vs a turbo engine.

Driving both options is believing (port & polished 3VZ-FE + Gen3 Turbo with some mods).

[mrgeel]

bitte nicht markus
ich wolte der einzige niederlander dort sein

DANKE:boos:

Gruss, MRGEEL8)

[Quadc@msix]

Looks good to me!

Why did you choose a V6 from the Camry?

What did you pay for the parts, and how many hours did you put in it from the start till driving?


Keep up the good work!

I guess the 3VZ engine from Camry or Solara are the best choise to fit "painless" in the MR2 enginebay. I concidered a 3VZ as well, but did choose the 5VZ. Before I decided that I did some research in the states, the 5 VZ has more technical reserves, has oilcooled pistons etc. this engine was designed for heavier work......now it is still "stock" with the supercharger, but I do have more plans wit it in the future.......pic of my engine:

Your installation looks awesome Chilli......look forward to see it "live" keep us posted!

J8) hn / Quadcamsix

[Eeuwige twijfelaar]

Driving both options is believing (port & polished 3VZ-FE + Gen3 Turbo with some mods).

Been there done that, gen 3 wins hands down.

[hot-chili]

I think everybody is welcome at that german meeting, but please contact the maker of the meeting, because he needs to reserve the restaurant.

Yes, the 3VZ-FE fits very good, the 5VZ-FE is much more work and in germany not avaible.

Yesterday the first woman buy my V6 install set for here 1998 MR2.

[MarcoTwo]

Been there done that, gen 3 wins hands down.

3VZ is the winner.